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		<title>By: abstractart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>abstractart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*puts on his geek hat*

*sigh*

Actually, the Cylons weren&#039;t human creations in the original Battlestar Galactica. The *idea* of man vs. machine was certainly there, but when the Cylon&#039;s origins were explored it turned out they were machines made by an alien race (the &quot;original Cylons&quot;) that killed their masters, replaced them and co-opted their civilization, and now go around trying to conquer everything.

Which is, yeah, a lot lot lot less compelling than modern Battlestar Galactica.

...I think you can get a lot of symbolic mileage out of the Cylons being monotheists and the humans having a more-or-less-lifted-from-Greek-mythlogy polytheism. It&#039;s not that hard to read the &quot;inhumanity&quot; of the Cylon philosophy as how, say, an ancient Roman citizen might view the rise of the cult of the Risen Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*puts on his geek hat*</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Actually, the Cylons weren&#8217;t human creations in the original Battlestar Galactica. The *idea* of man vs. machine was certainly there, but when the Cylon&#8217;s origins were explored it turned out they were machines made by an alien race (the &#8220;original Cylons&#8221;) that killed their masters, replaced them and co-opted their civilization, and now go around trying to conquer everything.</p>
<p>Which is, yeah, a lot lot lot less compelling than modern Battlestar Galactica.</p>
<p>&#8230;I think you can get a lot of symbolic mileage out of the Cylons being monotheists and the humans having a more-or-less-lifted-from-Greek-mythlogy polytheism. It&#8217;s not that hard to read the &#8220;inhumanity&#8221; of the Cylon philosophy as how, say, an ancient Roman citizen might view the rise of the cult of the Risen Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope! We were thinking the same thing last night as we watched the first season conclusion: that this is all well and good but now they&#039;d better tell us just what the &quot;plan&quot; the Cylons have is, and that also they need to somehow have Galactica and the rest of the humans be legitimately and righteously &lt;em&gt;opposed&lt;/em&gt; to that plan, to create dramatic conflict. Occasionally it feels as if the Cylons are getting everything to go just as they intended, and the more that happens, the less interesting the series gets, because then it just becomes a story of puppets and the puppet masters. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope! We were thinking the same thing last night as we watched the first season conclusion: that this is all well and good but now they&#8217;d better tell us just what the &#8220;plan&#8221; the Cylons have is, and that also they need to somehow have Galactica and the rest of the humans be legitimately and righteously <em>opposed</em> to that plan, to create dramatic conflict. Occasionally it feels as if the Cylons are getting everything to go just as they intended, and the more that happens, the less interesting the series gets, because then it just becomes a story of puppets and the puppet masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... I hope that last comment wasn&#039;t too spoiler-ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; I hope that last comment wasn&#8217;t too spoiler-ish.</p>
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		<title>By: ncaldwell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>ncaldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching BSG earlier this year while going on a bit of a Singularity book binge -- Stross and MacLeod and all that -- and I started thinking that the Cylons, with all the religious stuff they&#039;ve got going on, have transcended, or at least some of them have.  And they want to bring the humans along.  And we all know how unworried about collateral damage transcended AIs are.  

I won&#039;t claim it to be a particularly original reading, but it&#039;s marginally better the than &#039;robots rise against their creators&#039; schtick the pilot seemed to promise.  I at least hope we&#039;re going to get at least some kind of motivation for the Cylons at some point soon.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching BSG earlier this year while going on a bit of a Singularity book binge &#8212; Stross and MacLeod and all that &#8212; and I started thinking that the Cylons, with all the religious stuff they&#8217;ve got going on, have transcended, or at least some of them have.  And they want to bring the humans along.  And we all know how unworried about collateral damage transcended AIs are.  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t claim it to be a particularly original reading, but it&#8217;s marginally better the than &#8216;robots rise against their creators&#8217; schtick the pilot seemed to promise.  I at least hope we&#8217;re going to get at least some kind of motivation for the Cylons at some point soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. Going to watch the last two eps of the first season tonight. Here you have a show (Battlestar Galactica) where the idea is the same in both incarnations. It&#039;s just that the first show never had any idea at all (in a very 70s way) what to do with an idea where they said, &quot;Let&#039;s tell a story about humans who are the victims of genocide by machines they created and how they flee from the destruction&quot;. They globbed it up with all sorts of silliness. The second version, well, jeezus howdy, they understood perfectly well what kind of idea that is and how to execute it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. Going to watch the last two eps of the first season tonight. Here you have a show (Battlestar Galactica) where the idea is the same in both incarnations. It&#8217;s just that the first show never had any idea at all (in a very 70s way) what to do with an idea where they said, &#8220;Let&#8217;s tell a story about humans who are the victims of genocide by machines they created and how they flee from the destruction&#8221;. They globbed it up with all sorts of silliness. The second version, well, jeezus howdy, they understood perfectly well what kind of idea that is and how to execute it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite my love of ideas and my neophileness, execution always matters far more, in fiction, than ideas.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite my love of ideas and my neophileness, execution always matters far more, in fiction, than ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ll be wowed by it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ll be wowed by it.</p>
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		<title>By: farrellh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2005/08/02/recommended/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>farrellh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that &quot;second last geek out there&quot; - only put it on my Netflix list last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that &#8220;second last geek out there&#8221; &#8211; only put it on my Netflix list last week.</p>
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