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		<title>By: Joe Z</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2006/11/17/prod-hist-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-2390</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And more apologies for another late posting, but I had to comment on what looks like a fantastic class and concur on a number of novels and stories.

On the 1930s, Alan Furst&#039;s &quot;Dark Star&quot;, &quot;Night Soldiers&quot;, and &quot;Polish Officer&quot; are brilliant yet very different renditions of pre-war Central Europe.  Many of Furst&#039;s more recent novels suffer by comparison, but he is not to be missed.  &quot;Dark Star&quot; also reads well against Koestler&#039;s &quot;Darkness at Noon&quot;.

Among the historical novelists, Dorothy Dunnett&#039;s two series (the 6-book &quot;Lymond Chronicles&quot; and the 8-book &quot;House of Niccolo&quot;) are both wonderful, but very hard to read in snippets.  Anything by Iain Pears (partner of the historian Ruth Harris) is a fine choice.  As a French historian myself, I am strongly partial to Marguerite Yourcenar&#039;s &quot;Memoirs of Hadrian&quot;, easily available in translation.

Alternate worlds/SF: I am using Connie Willis&#039;s novella &quot;Fire Watch&quot; (about time travelling historians during the Blitz) in an historical methods course, for a week entitled &quot;What is the Historical Imagination&quot;.  David Brin&#039;s &quot;Thor Meets Captain America&quot; is a minor classic of the genre, although it in some ways trivialises a very dire topic.

Looking forward to reading about the course wrapup in a few months.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And more apologies for another late posting, but I had to comment on what looks like a fantastic class and concur on a number of novels and stories.</p>
<p>On the 1930s, Alan Furst&#8217;s &#8220;Dark Star&#8221;, &#8220;Night Soldiers&#8221;, and &#8220;Polish Officer&#8221; are brilliant yet very different renditions of pre-war Central Europe.  Many of Furst&#8217;s more recent novels suffer by comparison, but he is not to be missed.  &#8220;Dark Star&#8221; also reads well against Koestler&#8217;s &#8220;Darkness at Noon&#8221;.</p>
<p>Among the historical novelists, Dorothy Dunnett&#8217;s two series (the 6-book &#8220;Lymond Chronicles&#8221; and the 8-book &#8220;House of Niccolo&#8221;) are both wonderful, but very hard to read in snippets.  Anything by Iain Pears (partner of the historian Ruth Harris) is a fine choice.  As a French historian myself, I am strongly partial to Marguerite Yourcenar&#8217;s &#8220;Memoirs of Hadrian&#8221;, easily available in translation.</p>
<p>Alternate worlds/SF: I am using Connie Willis&#8217;s novella &#8220;Fire Watch&#8221; (about time travelling historians during the Blitz) in an historical methods course, for a week entitled &#8220;What is the Historical Imagination&#8221;.  David Brin&#8217;s &#8220;Thor Meets Captain America&#8221; is a minor classic of the genre, although it in some ways trivialises a very dire topic.</p>
<p>Looking forward to reading about the course wrapup in a few months.</p>
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		<title>By: erika milam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2006/11/17/prod-hist-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>erika milam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the late posting. I have always wanted to use Iain Pears &quot;Instance of the Fingerpost&quot; in a class on either oral history or personal narratives. It tells the same story from five different perspectives (a murder story which embroils several members of the early Royal Society of England). Each narrator is convinced they are right, yet each new perspective makes the previous narrator appear unsympathetic and unreliable. 

The advantage: Everyone is telling the same story as they saw the events; each story is equally true. No single story is complete.
The disadvantage: It&#039;s long! The small paperback version is ~750 pages.

(As for Alan Furst, my favorite is &quot;The Polish Officer&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the late posting. I have always wanted to use Iain Pears &#8220;Instance of the Fingerpost&#8221; in a class on either oral history or personal narratives. It tells the same story from five different perspectives (a murder story which embroils several members of the early Royal Society of England). Each narrator is convinced they are right, yet each new perspective makes the previous narrator appear unsympathetic and unreliable. </p>
<p>The advantage: Everyone is telling the same story as they saw the events; each story is equally true. No single story is complete.<br />
The disadvantage: It&#8217;s long! The small paperback version is ~750 pages.</p>
<p>(As for Alan Furst, my favorite is &#8220;The Polish Officer&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: The Constructivist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2006/11/17/prod-hist-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-2363</link>
		<dc:creator>The Constructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going back to some of doubledubya&#039;s (sorry, can&#039;t resist repeating it) complaints about liberal bias in U.S. history departments, including a lack of sufficient patriotism, I wonder if something more general on history-writing and nationalism or the discipline of history and the nation is worth separating out.  Abe&#039;s education reforms in Japan aim at something like what ww is calling for here.  A cross-cultural look at the uses of history for the nation might be interesting.

Also interesting might be a more explicit focus on arguments over what makes history writing different from anthropology.  The history/prehistory distinction can be just as interesting to investigate as the history/fiction one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going back to some of doubledubya&#8217;s (sorry, can&#8217;t resist repeating it) complaints about liberal bias in U.S. history departments, including a lack of sufficient patriotism, I wonder if something more general on history-writing and nationalism or the discipline of history and the nation is worth separating out.  Abe&#8217;s education reforms in Japan aim at something like what ww is calling for here.  A cross-cultural look at the uses of history for the nation might be interesting.</p>
<p>Also interesting might be a more explicit focus on arguments over what makes history writing different from anthropology.  The history/prehistory distinction can be just as interesting to investigate as the history/fiction one.</p>
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		<title>By: Loring Pfeiffer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2006/11/17/prod-hist-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-2361</link>
		<dc:creator>Loring Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has no one yet suggested _The Plot Against America_ for the Alternate History section of the course?  Kind of an annoying book, I think, but one that does take an interesting stab at the what-if-this-one-event-had-happened-differently bit.  

As for films, how about HBO&#039;s recent _Elizabeth I_?   

Also from the film world, what about _United 93_, either on its own terms or as compared to _World Trade Center_ ?  (I couldn&#039;t bring myself to see _WTC_, but I imagine it would offer a useful point of comparison.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has no one yet suggested _The Plot Against America_ for the Alternate History section of the course?  Kind of an annoying book, I think, but one that does take an interesting stab at the what-if-this-one-event-had-happened-differently bit.  </p>
<p>As for films, how about HBO&#8217;s recent _Elizabeth I_?   </p>
<p>Also from the film world, what about _United 93_, either on its own terms or as compared to _World Trade Center_ ?  (I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to see _WTC_, but I imagine it would offer a useful point of comparison.)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezus! I forgot about the Richard White, which is &lt;em&gt;sitting right in front of me on my desk&lt;/em&gt;. The Portelli I don&#039;t know: off to the library right away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezus! I forgot about the Richard White, which is <em>sitting right in front of me on my desk</em>. The Portelli I don&#8217;t know: off to the library right away!</p>
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		<title>By: Western Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Death of Luigi Trastulli and Other Stories by Allessandro Portelli.  The title article is a masterpiece of how people transform their memories of history to fit current events.  Easier to access than Halbwachs.  I used it quite successfully with Swat freshman back in the day.  I paired it with Richard White&#039;s Memories of Ahanagrah (sp?) which does a nice job exploring the tensions between memory and scholarship as White investigates his own family history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Death of Luigi Trastulli and Other Stories by Allessandro Portelli.  The title article is a masterpiece of how people transform their memories of history to fit current events.  Easier to access than Halbwachs.  I used it quite successfully with Swat freshman back in the day.  I paired it with Richard White&#8217;s Memories of Ahanagrah (sp?) which does a nice job exploring the tensions between memory and scholarship as White investigates his own family history.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should post separately about &lt;em&gt;The Years of Rice and Salt&lt;/em&gt;, since I also like it very much.

I&#039;ve tried to shoehorn Hayden White and the debate about his work into this course before, and the problem I think is that it drags the entire course back towards being an &quot;internal&quot; debate about scholarly history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should post separately about <em>The Years of Rice and Salt</em>, since I also like it very much.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to shoehorn Hayden White and the debate about his work into this course before, and the problem I think is that it drags the entire course back towards being an &#8220;internal&#8221; debate about scholarly history.</p>
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		<title>By: CMarko</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMarko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cousin just suggested a movie called CSA: Confederate States of America. It&#039;s a fake documentary about what would have happened if the Confederacy had won the war. The CSA subsumes the North, and the new alternate US is engaged in a Cold War against Canada (Abolitionists become a stand-in for Communists), we supported the Nazis in World War II, and there are news stories about slaves Fed-Exing themselves to freedom. Might be worth checking out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cousin just suggested a movie called CSA: Confederate States of America. It&#8217;s a fake documentary about what would have happened if the Confederacy had won the war. The CSA subsumes the North, and the new alternate US is engaged in a Cold War against Canada (Abolitionists become a stand-in for Communists), we supported the Nazis in World War II, and there are news stories about slaves Fed-Exing themselves to freedom. Might be worth checking out.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunnett is every bit as good as O&#039;Brian. Plus she&#039;s willing to kill off major characters in a way that O&#039;Brian isn&#039;t, so the dramatic tension is greater.

For some really tasty comparative goodness, try her take on Macbeth&#039;s story, King Hereafter. It&#039;s much more medieval and Scots-centric, illuminating relationships between the Orkneys and the Scottish mainland. Plus there&#039;s Lady Godiva in a revealing role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunnett is every bit as good as O&#8217;Brian. Plus she&#8217;s willing to kill off major characters in a way that O&#8217;Brian isn&#8217;t, so the dramatic tension is greater.</p>
<p>For some really tasty comparative goodness, try her take on Macbeth&#8217;s story, King Hereafter. It&#8217;s much more medieval and Scots-centric, illuminating relationships between the Orkneys and the Scottish mainland. Plus there&#8217;s Lady Godiva in a revealing role.</p>
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		<title>By: The Constructivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Constructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic course.  Looks like everyone is trying to make your job harder, with great suggestions.  Here are mine.

On historical novels, Maryse Conde&#039;s &lt;i&gt;I, Tituba, Black Witch of Salem&lt;/i&gt; is short, teachable, and smart.  Samuel Delany&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Atlantis:  Model 1924&lt;/i&gt; is a brilliant and beautiful look back at the Harlem Renaissance.  Neil Gaiman&#039;s &lt;i&gt;1602&lt;/i&gt; is a historical graphic novel, or just plain old comic book.  Guy Gavriel Kay has been writing historical fantasy for the last several years.  Every one of August Wilson&#039;s plays is historical drama.  

I&#039;ve posted lists of literary/historical re-visions of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fredonia.edu/department/english/simon/engl332s06/fp.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;antebellum&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fredonia.edu/department/english/simon/engl331f02/fp.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;early American&lt;/a&gt; literature for my students; feel free to send your students in those directions.

Gotta second the &lt;i&gt;Years of Rice and Salt&lt;/i&gt; recommendation.  Robinson&#039;s novel is not just alternate history but about debates over the writing of history (along with many other things), plus its structure enacts one character&#039;s claim about the best way to write history.  But doubledubya is right to emphasize Dick&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Man in the High Castle&lt;/i&gt;--shorter and more teachable.

On memorialization, contrasting the Smithsonian controversy in the US with the ways the atomic bombings are commemorated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki might work well.  Pearl Harbor in reverse works well, too.  As would having students compare Russian, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese textbooks on &quot;the Great East Asian War&quot; with US/UK versions--or, the shorter version, having them research the international politics of the controversies over Japanese textbooks.  BTW, China and Japan recently agreed to form a committee to try to find common ground on the history of WWII, with an eye to resolving such disputes.  Perhaps a new theme on the politics of historiography?  Could get into other topics such as historical propaganda films (like the &lt;i&gt;Why We Fight&lt;/i&gt; series, for instance), too.

No Hayden White?  No debates over truth in the writing of history?  Did I just miss them on a fast read, or is the course steeped in that pomo/post-structuralist perspective (or is such a perspective passe or always already uninteresting)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic course.  Looks like everyone is trying to make your job harder, with great suggestions.  Here are mine.</p>
<p>On historical novels, Maryse Conde&#8217;s <i>I, Tituba, Black Witch of Salem</i> is short, teachable, and smart.  Samuel Delany&#8217;s <i>Atlantis:  Model 1924</i> is a brilliant and beautiful look back at the Harlem Renaissance.  Neil Gaiman&#8217;s <i>1602</i> is a historical graphic novel, or just plain old comic book.  Guy Gavriel Kay has been writing historical fantasy for the last several years.  Every one of August Wilson&#8217;s plays is historical drama.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted lists of literary/historical re-visions of <a href="http://www.fredonia.edu/department/english/simon/engl332s06/fp.htm" rel="nofollow">antebellum</a> and <a href="http://www.fredonia.edu/department/english/simon/engl331f02/fp.htm" rel="nofollow">early American</a> literature for my students; feel free to send your students in those directions.</p>
<p>Gotta second the <i>Years of Rice and Salt</i> recommendation.  Robinson&#8217;s novel is not just alternate history but about debates over the writing of history (along with many other things), plus its structure enacts one character&#8217;s claim about the best way to write history.  But doubledubya is right to emphasize Dick&#8217;s <i>The Man in the High Castle</i>&#8211;shorter and more teachable.</p>
<p>On memorialization, contrasting the Smithsonian controversy in the US with the ways the atomic bombings are commemorated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki might work well.  Pearl Harbor in reverse works well, too.  As would having students compare Russian, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese textbooks on &#8220;the Great East Asian War&#8221; with US/UK versions&#8211;or, the shorter version, having them research the international politics of the controversies over Japanese textbooks.  BTW, China and Japan recently agreed to form a committee to try to find common ground on the history of WWII, with an eye to resolving such disputes.  Perhaps a new theme on the politics of historiography?  Could get into other topics such as historical propaganda films (like the <i>Why We Fight</i> series, for instance), too.</p>
<p>No Hayden White?  No debates over truth in the writing of history?  Did I just miss them on a fast read, or is the course steeped in that pomo/post-structuralist perspective (or is such a perspective passe or always already uninteresting)?</p>
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