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		<title>By: joeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6714</link>
		<dc:creator>joeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;some amount of free will is involved in deciding whether or not you become obese. &lt;/i&gt;

The change over time is the scary thing to me:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map/

Something is different between now and 1980.  I doubt it is willpower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>some amount of free will is involved in deciding whether or not you become obese. </i></p>
<p>The change over time is the scary thing to me:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map/</a></p>
<p>Something is different between now and 1980.  I doubt it is willpower.</p>
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		<title>By: joeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6713</link>
		<dc:creator>joeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are apparently schools that don&#039;t let parents bring in the cupcakes and donuts.  All it takes is a loud enough subset of the parents complaining.  Being an asshole about it is probably not that ineffective in a lot of cases.  It can be easier for a teacher to just give in than to have to repetitively deal with asshole parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are apparently schools that don&#8217;t let parents bring in the cupcakes and donuts.  All it takes is a loud enough subset of the parents complaining.  Being an asshole about it is probably not that ineffective in a lot of cases.  It can be easier for a teacher to just give in than to have to repetitively deal with asshole parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McNeill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel&#039;s right--the substance of Roth&#039;s tirades is off base too.  (The links Lara provides above do a good job of pointing this out.)

This got me thinking about what a slippery piece of rhetoric the word &quot;epidemic&quot; has become in the past fifteen years or so.  My sense is that in this time its metaphorical sense of &quot;widespread bad thing&quot; has overwhelmed its literal sense of &quot;widespread disease&quot; in public discourse.  It rankles me when I hear &quot;epidemic&quot; applied to anything other than a communicable disease, just as it rankles me when I hear &quot;addiction&quot; applied to anything other than a drug that produces withdrawal symptoms, and I don&#039;t think I&#039;m just being a usage curmudgeon here.  There&#039;s something shady going on.

It was only in thinking about Roth&#039;s cranky bullheaded obsession with the &quot;obesity epidemic&quot; this morning that I realized what it was: some amount of free will is involved in deciding whether or not you become obese.  Sure there may be complicated environmental and genetic factors, but individual agency is definitely part of the equation.  Not so with actual viral epidemics, where the best precautions can be undone by one passerby&#039;s random cough.  In an epidemic, individual good sense is beside the point.  When you refer to things that aren&#039;t literally epidemics as &quot;epidemics&quot;, you take on an undeserved air of medical authority and implicitly move the debate towards the point where people need to be told what to do for their own good, which is just where you imagine the Roths of the world want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel&#8217;s right&#8211;the substance of Roth&#8217;s tirades is off base too.  (The links Lara provides above do a good job of pointing this out.)</p>
<p>This got me thinking about what a slippery piece of rhetoric the word &#8220;epidemic&#8221; has become in the past fifteen years or so.  My sense is that in this time its metaphorical sense of &#8220;widespread bad thing&#8221; has overwhelmed its literal sense of &#8220;widespread disease&#8221; in public discourse.  It rankles me when I hear &#8220;epidemic&#8221; applied to anything other than a communicable disease, just as it rankles me when I hear &#8220;addiction&#8221; applied to anything other than a drug that produces withdrawal symptoms, and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m just being a usage curmudgeon here.  There&#8217;s something shady going on.</p>
<p>It was only in thinking about Roth&#8217;s cranky bullheaded obsession with the &#8220;obesity epidemic&#8221; this morning that I realized what it was: some amount of free will is involved in deciding whether or not you become obese.  Sure there may be complicated environmental and genetic factors, but individual agency is definitely part of the equation.  Not so with actual viral epidemics, where the best precautions can be undone by one passerby&#8217;s random cough.  In an epidemic, individual good sense is beside the point.  When you refer to things that aren&#8217;t literally epidemics as &#8220;epidemics&#8221;, you take on an undeserved air of medical authority and implicitly move the debate towards the point where people need to be told what to do for their own good, which is just where you imagine the Roths of the world want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6708</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that article, and had a big problem with it, too.  But not (so much) because the woman in question is obnoxious; more because the author (and some of the commenters) cast the issue as style v. substance - given that her substance is right, but her style is alienating, what shall we make of this?  But her substance is wrong, or at least profoundly misguided about the main factors in the &quot;obesity epidemic.&quot;  

First of all, any given cupcake - or even cupcakes for every birthday of every kid in your class - is not going to make anyone fat who is otherwise eating healthy &amp; exercising.  And eating healthy &amp; exercising are significantly related to class - if you are wealthy, you are more likely to have access to a gym (if you&#039;re a grown-up) or nice playgrounds (if you&#039;re a kid), etc.  You are more likely to live close to a grocery store that sells fresh, nutritious food at reasonable prices.  You&#039;re more likely to live in a neighborhood where it&#039;s safe to go for a walk or a run (although you&#039;re also more likely to have a car and live in the suburbs where walking most places doesn&#039;t make sense... so it&#039;s also about how our cities and especially suburbs are organized across classes, too). 

Anyway, the question of style &amp; approach is interesting given campaigns based on trying to change things that are really problems - harassment of LGBT kids in school, say - but the wrong debate when the crusader is crusading against cupcakes as a cause of obesity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that article, and had a big problem with it, too.  But not (so much) because the woman in question is obnoxious; more because the author (and some of the commenters) cast the issue as style v. substance &#8211; given that her substance is right, but her style is alienating, what shall we make of this?  But her substance is wrong, or at least profoundly misguided about the main factors in the &#8220;obesity epidemic.&#8221;  </p>
<p>First of all, any given cupcake &#8211; or even cupcakes for every birthday of every kid in your class &#8211; is not going to make anyone fat who is otherwise eating healthy &amp; exercising.  And eating healthy &amp; exercising are significantly related to class &#8211; if you are wealthy, you are more likely to have access to a gym (if you&#8217;re a grown-up) or nice playgrounds (if you&#8217;re a kid), etc.  You are more likely to live close to a grocery store that sells fresh, nutritious food at reasonable prices.  You&#8217;re more likely to live in a neighborhood where it&#8217;s safe to go for a walk or a run (although you&#8217;re also more likely to have a car and live in the suburbs where walking most places doesn&#8217;t make sense&#8230; so it&#8217;s also about how our cities and especially suburbs are organized across classes, too). </p>
<p>Anyway, the question of style &amp; approach is interesting given campaigns based on trying to change things that are really problems &#8211; harassment of LGBT kids in school, say &#8211; but the wrong debate when the crusader is crusading against cupcakes as a cause of obesity.</p>
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		<title>By: peter55</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the lady on the train:  I have experienced many people in my life who seek validation for their life choices (university, career, religion, etc) by trying to persuade others to make the same choices.   In almost all cases, I view such people as profoundly (ie, fundamentally) insecure about themselves.   Someone deeply at-peace with their own self does not try to force others to make the same choice, even when (or even especially when) he or she is regretful about his/her own choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the lady on the train:  I have experienced many people in my life who seek validation for their life choices (university, career, religion, etc) by trying to persuade others to make the same choices.   In almost all cases, I view such people as profoundly (ie, fundamentally) insecure about themselves.   Someone deeply at-peace with their own self does not try to force others to make the same choice, even when (or even especially when) he or she is regretful about his/her own choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McNeill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6706</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To balance confidence in my own correctness and virtue with a healthy sense of self-skepticism I repeat the following mantra: &quot;Forty percent of what I believe is wrong--I just don&#039;t know which forty percent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To balance confidence in my own correctness and virtue with a healthy sense of self-skepticism I repeat the following mantra: &#8220;Forty percent of what I believe is wrong&#8211;I just don&#8217;t know which forty percent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: north</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6705</link>
		<dc:creator>north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s AWFUL.  What I find striking about that kind of self-righteous extremism is that it almost always backfires.  My partner&#039;s parents wouldn&#039;t let her have sugar at home, and she was obsessed with sugar for years and years.  Every time she went to her grandparents&#039; house, she&#039;d go straight for the candy drawer.  As soon as MeMe Roth&#039;s kids get to adolescence, they&#039;ll probably either go straight into some kind of disordered eating or just become junk food fiends on the sly.  Similarly, I&#039;ve read that evangelical teen-agers have sex earlier, on average, than secular teens (and are less likely to use protection). 

Partly this may just have to do with the kind of &quot;f**k you, authority&quot; reaction (I was going to call it a teen reaction, but I realized I still have it, and probably always will).  I think it&#039;s because when you demonize something (sugar, drugs, sex) you have to construct this caricature of it; as soon as people are old enough and independent enough to make their own evaluations of it, they realize it&#039;s not the terrible evil monster their parents/DARE educators/preacher said it was.  At the same time, those kids haven&#039;t learned any tools for coping with the problematic item in question, so they&#039;re more likely to end up making choices that get them in some kind of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s AWFUL.  What I find striking about that kind of self-righteous extremism is that it almost always backfires.  My partner&#8217;s parents wouldn&#8217;t let her have sugar at home, and she was obsessed with sugar for years and years.  Every time she went to her grandparents&#8217; house, she&#8217;d go straight for the candy drawer.  As soon as MeMe Roth&#8217;s kids get to adolescence, they&#8217;ll probably either go straight into some kind of disordered eating or just become junk food fiends on the sly.  Similarly, I&#8217;ve read that evangelical teen-agers have sex earlier, on average, than secular teens (and are less likely to use protection). </p>
<p>Partly this may just have to do with the kind of &#8220;f**k you, authority&#8221; reaction (I was going to call it a teen reaction, but I realized I still have it, and probably always will).  I think it&#8217;s because when you demonize something (sugar, drugs, sex) you have to construct this caricature of it; as soon as people are old enough and independent enough to make their own evaluations of it, they realize it&#8217;s not the terrible evil monster their parents/DARE educators/preacher said it was.  At the same time, those kids haven&#8217;t learned any tools for coping with the problematic item in question, so they&#8217;re more likely to end up making choices that get them in some kind of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/06/17/this-cupcake-will-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-6704</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shapely Prose&lt;/a&gt; has been following MeMe Roth &lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2009/06/17/the-obamas-just-like-us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2008/02/20/fatosphere-in-the-redeye/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2008/03/09/attack-of-the-samoas/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;while&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2009/05/27/its-not-easy-being-meme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;now&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kateharding.net/" rel="nofollow">Shapely Prose</a> has been following MeMe Roth <a href="http://kateharding.net/2009/06/17/the-obamas-just-like-us/" rel="nofollow">for</a> <a href="http://kateharding.net/2008/02/20/fatosphere-in-the-redeye/" rel="nofollow">a</a> <a href="http://kateharding.net/2008/03/09/attack-of-the-samoas/" rel="nofollow">while</a> <a href="http://kateharding.net/2009/05/27/its-not-easy-being-meme/" rel="nofollow">now</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put.  There&#039;s a part of me that feels that this sort of taking-of-a-cause-to-extremes is related to what I perceive to be a culture of specialization.  Doing one thing and doing it thoroughly, can spill over into social causes very easily.  Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put.  There&#8217;s a part of me that feels that this sort of taking-of-a-cause-to-extremes is related to what I perceive to be a culture of specialization.  Doing one thing and doing it thoroughly, can spill over into social causes very easily.  Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s short for MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s short for MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe.</p>
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