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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6773</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catching up after returning from a camping trip, but I think that Eric&#039;s point is pretty important. I spoke some time ago to a well-known academic content-management system publisher about a service they were thinking about that would be somewhat like MIT&#039;s Open Courseware but nationwide instead. I haven&#039;t heard anything more about it, but what I suggested to them is that they depart from their current practice and make a system that was open-access and aimed at collaboration and cooperation between faculty at many campuses, that would aggregate syllabi (both draft and completed) in particular fields. Until we have something like that, getting eyeballs on most draft syllabi is going to be at best an accidental consequence of having other content going (like this or other blogs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catching up after returning from a camping trip, but I think that Eric&#8217;s point is pretty important. I spoke some time ago to a well-known academic content-management system publisher about a service they were thinking about that would be somewhat like MIT&#8217;s Open Courseware but nationwide instead. I haven&#8217;t heard anything more about it, but what I suggested to them is that they depart from their current practice and make a system that was open-access and aimed at collaboration and cooperation between faculty at many campuses, that would aggregate syllabi (both draft and completed) in particular fields. Until we have something like that, getting eyeballs on most draft syllabi is going to be at best an accidental consequence of having other content going (like this or other blogs).</p>
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		<title>By: elnjensen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6772</link>
		<dc:creator>elnjensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming late to the discussion here, but it seems to me that there is an additional, major reason not listed in your post: the lack of an appropriate forum or audience for posting a syllabus.  By &quot;appropriate&quot; here, I mean one in which a posted syllabus would actually be read and commented on.  

I suppose in a way this is a variant of your reason #1 (unfamiliarity with the technology), but I really think it&#039;s fundamentally different; it would be trivial for me to create a new weblog and post a syllabus there.  Similarly, I could post it on my own webpage, or I could post it in Blackboard here on campus.  So the technology for *posting* is not an obstacle, but in none of the cases I list above would a posted syllabus actually be read by anyone, because they wouldn&#039;t find it.  

Do other fields have sites for posting syllabi that have a significant number of readers?  I don&#039;t know of one in my own field (astronomy).  It&#039;s a great idea, but I&#039;m just not familiar with a forum where it would work.  Am I missing something obvious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming late to the discussion here, but it seems to me that there is an additional, major reason not listed in your post: the lack of an appropriate forum or audience for posting a syllabus.  By &#8220;appropriate&#8221; here, I mean one in which a posted syllabus would actually be read and commented on.  </p>
<p>I suppose in a way this is a variant of your reason #1 (unfamiliarity with the technology), but I really think it&#8217;s fundamentally different; it would be trivial for me to create a new weblog and post a syllabus there.  Similarly, I could post it on my own webpage, or I could post it in Blackboard here on campus.  So the technology for *posting* is not an obstacle, but in none of the cases I list above would a posted syllabus actually be read by anyone, because they wouldn&#8217;t find it.  </p>
<p>Do other fields have sites for posting syllabi that have a significant number of readers?  I don&#8217;t know of one in my own field (astronomy).  It&#8217;s a great idea, but I&#8217;m just not familiar with a forum where it would work.  Am I missing something obvious?</p>
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		<title>By: Rana</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6771</link>
		<dc:creator>Rana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it&#039;s a combination of timing and energy and what I think I would get out of the process.

I&#039;m supposed to submit my books for next semester NOW.  Before I even know if I&#039;m going to teach in the spring.  My books and other materials for the fall are now locked in, and in the bookstore.  If I put up a draft of my syllabus, how does it help me if people question my reading selections, or if they offer suggestions?  I can&#039;t do anything about them at this point, and the odds of my getting to teach the course next year aren&#039;t great.  So I don&#039;t have much practical incentive at this point.

It&#039;s also a matter of priorities.  I hate to say it, but as a part-time adjunct, revising and tweaking my syllabus isn&#039;t something that&#039;s high on my list.  I want to get it done, and not think about it too much afterward, because the last thing I need is to keep adjusting it and second-guessing it throughout the semester.  I have more immediate concerns, like writing my lectures, grading, and handling the inevitable problems that crop up among the students.  

But then, I&#039;m in the process of re-credentialing myself in order to career-shift out of teaching, so perhaps I&#039;m not a good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it&#8217;s a combination of timing and energy and what I think I would get out of the process.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m supposed to submit my books for next semester NOW.  Before I even know if I&#8217;m going to teach in the spring.  My books and other materials for the fall are now locked in, and in the bookstore.  If I put up a draft of my syllabus, how does it help me if people question my reading selections, or if they offer suggestions?  I can&#8217;t do anything about them at this point, and the odds of my getting to teach the course next year aren&#8217;t great.  So I don&#8217;t have much practical incentive at this point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a matter of priorities.  I hate to say it, but as a part-time adjunct, revising and tweaking my syllabus isn&#8217;t something that&#8217;s high on my list.  I want to get it done, and not think about it too much afterward, because the last thing I need is to keep adjusting it and second-guessing it throughout the semester.  I have more immediate concerns, like writing my lectures, grading, and handling the inevitable problems that crop up among the students.  </p>
<p>But then, I&#8217;m in the process of re-credentialing myself in order to career-shift out of teaching, so perhaps I&#8217;m not a good example.</p>
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		<title>By: Western Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went sort of half-way.  I posted a draft syllabus of my Environmental History course for HS seniors on my facebook as a note.  Got some feedback so far.  It wasn&#039;t exactly public and some colleagues who are also facebook friends were supportive.  But my mom figured it was a bad move because of intellectual property questions, but then she&#039;s a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went sort of half-way.  I posted a draft syllabus of my Environmental History course for HS seniors on my facebook as a note.  Got some feedback so far.  It wasn&#8217;t exactly public and some colleagues who are also facebook friends were supportive.  But my mom figured it was a bad move because of intellectual property questions, but then she&#8217;s a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McNeill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6769</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, not all academics are so miserly.  In the Linguistics department at the University of Washington we have a healthy practice of sharing class materials between instructors.  There&#039;s a common folder of old syllabi, tests, assignments, etc., and the first thing a new instructor for a class does is to go get the syllabus of the person who taught it before.

There are differences from the situation you describe: the sharing is within the department, the syllabi are not drafts, this is primarily done for intro courses, and the material tends to be less ideological so there&#039;s little risk that David Horowitz will pitch a fit about your presentation of grammatical case in Icelandic.  Still, class materials are thought of as communal resources and people are willing to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, not all academics are so miserly.  In the Linguistics department at the University of Washington we have a healthy practice of sharing class materials between instructors.  There&#8217;s a common folder of old syllabi, tests, assignments, etc., and the first thing a new instructor for a class does is to go get the syllabus of the person who taught it before.</p>
<p>There are differences from the situation you describe: the sharing is within the department, the syllabi are not drafts, this is primarily done for intro courses, and the material tends to be less ideological so there&#8217;s little risk that David Horowitz will pitch a fit about your presentation of grammatical case in Icelandic.  Still, class materials are thought of as communal resources and people are willing to share.</p>
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		<title>By: ModernSophist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6768</link>
		<dc:creator>ModernSophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Not a teacher, so pardon the naivety, but was curious enough to comment.)  I wonder if some teachers would be hesitent to open their syllibi up to students, specifically, because of some anxiety they might have about the ignorance of their comments.  Specifically, I am imagining a fear of comments coming from those students I&#039;ll describe as &quot;ignorant and opinionated.&quot;  Naturally, there is risk of this in any open forum, but maybe some professors simply imagine this to be a real possibility (of course, we can think of the &#039;jerks&#039; you mentioned).  Further, there is bound to be a professor out there who would do anything to avoid an open forum where his least favorite, perhaps very vocal, grad-student had an opportunity to demonstrate how many opinions they actually had.  I can just imagine such an anxiety when it comes down to just wanting the project to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Not a teacher, so pardon the naivety, but was curious enough to comment.)  I wonder if some teachers would be hesitent to open their syllibi up to students, specifically, because of some anxiety they might have about the ignorance of their comments.  Specifically, I am imagining a fear of comments coming from those students I&#8217;ll describe as &#8220;ignorant and opinionated.&#8221;  Naturally, there is risk of this in any open forum, but maybe some professors simply imagine this to be a real possibility (of course, we can think of the &#8216;jerks&#8217; you mentioned).  Further, there is bound to be a professor out there who would do anything to avoid an open forum where his least favorite, perhaps very vocal, grad-student had an opportunity to demonstrate how many opinions they actually had.  I can just imagine such an anxiety when it comes down to just wanting the project to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McNeill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/2009/08/08/putting-syllabi-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A follow-on to jliedl Rohan and Maitzen&#039;s posts: the skill-set barriers to entry have fallen dramatically since maybe the beginning of 2008.  I was struck by this last winter when I was setting up collaborative blogging and information-sharing for my various research projects.  A couple years ago I would have used the University of Washington&#039;s in-house web authoring system, an ad-hoc departmental wiki, or just done the whole thing by hand.  All of these solutions were clunky and time-consuming.  But now Google Sites and its ilk provide good UI and seemless back-end IT support.  There&#039;s a qualitative difference in ease-of-use, and though at the moment it&#039;s most apparent to technically-savvy people like myself, I could see this awareness spreading into the general population just as blogging did a few years ago.

Of course, this makes no difference to Tim&#039;s objection #1, but for academics who want to use the web for a broad variety of tasks but still find it technically daunting, the landscape might be becoming a lot more welcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A follow-on to jliedl Rohan and Maitzen&#8217;s posts: the skill-set barriers to entry have fallen dramatically since maybe the beginning of 2008.  I was struck by this last winter when I was setting up collaborative blogging and information-sharing for my various research projects.  A couple years ago I would have used the University of Washington&#8217;s in-house web authoring system, an ad-hoc departmental wiki, or just done the whole thing by hand.  All of these solutions were clunky and time-consuming.  But now Google Sites and its ilk provide good UI and seemless back-end IT support.  There&#8217;s a qualitative difference in ease-of-use, and though at the moment it&#8217;s most apparent to technically-savvy people like myself, I could see this awareness spreading into the general population just as blogging did a few years ago.</p>
<p>Of course, this makes no difference to Tim&#8217;s objection #1, but for academics who want to use the web for a broad variety of tasks but still find it technically daunting, the landscape might be becoming a lot more welcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Maitzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Maitzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found #1, technological anxiety, surprisingly widespread among my own colleagues, one of whom recently said to me, &quot;Well, it&#039;s easy for you, with all your BLOGGING and so on, but the rest of us need a lot more technical support.&quot; She did not believe me that using Blogger does not require a very extensive skills set. We haven&#039;t yet been able to get all of our dept members to set up individual websites, which is particularly troublesome for graduate recruiting. I haven&#039;t posted draft syllabi, exactly, but I have solicited advice a few times about what texts to teach for different purposes, and I have always found it a very useful and enlightening exercise--and I would really like to see what other people do.

Imposter syndrome is another problem, I&#039;m sure, and I think this is related to the comment about not wanting to be monitored: at my own institution, we have no routine way of looking in on one another&#039;s classes, even at tenure time, though I think that would be hugely beneficial both for learning how other people manage their material and their students, and for transparency. Who among us doesn&#039;t continue to worry about being caught out in a stupidity? I started blogging about my teaching a couple of years ago, partly because I  agree that being open about what actually happens in our classrooms might actually help dispel some of the myths that have depressing currency in the culture at large. I found one of my own biggest mental hurdles (even after more than a decade of experience) was overcoming the anxiety that my classroom work would somehow not withstand public scrutiny, that I was actually doing it wrong, or should be doing it differently. (Blogging in general is certainly therapeutic for this--though I have colleagues, too, who read blogs but refuse to comment because they refuse to commit themselves in public... so more of the same.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found #1, technological anxiety, surprisingly widespread among my own colleagues, one of whom recently said to me, &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s easy for you, with all your BLOGGING and so on, but the rest of us need a lot more technical support.&#8221; She did not believe me that using Blogger does not require a very extensive skills set. We haven&#8217;t yet been able to get all of our dept members to set up individual websites, which is particularly troublesome for graduate recruiting. I haven&#8217;t posted draft syllabi, exactly, but I have solicited advice a few times about what texts to teach for different purposes, and I have always found it a very useful and enlightening exercise&#8211;and I would really like to see what other people do.</p>
<p>Imposter syndrome is another problem, I&#8217;m sure, and I think this is related to the comment about not wanting to be monitored: at my own institution, we have no routine way of looking in on one another&#8217;s classes, even at tenure time, though I think that would be hugely beneficial both for learning how other people manage their material and their students, and for transparency. Who among us doesn&#8217;t continue to worry about being caught out in a stupidity? I started blogging about my teaching a couple of years ago, partly because I  agree that being open about what actually happens in our classrooms might actually help dispel some of the myths that have depressing currency in the culture at large. I found one of my own biggest mental hurdles (even after more than a decade of experience) was overcoming the anxiety that my classroom work would somehow not withstand public scrutiny, that I was actually doing it wrong, or should be doing it differently. (Blogging in general is certainly therapeutic for this&#8211;though I have colleagues, too, who read blogs but refuse to comment because they refuse to commit themselves in public&#8230; so more of the same.)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of that is a disagreement about how prevalent some problems are, and part is about the difference between persuasion and control as the way to get best practices. Also you are considerably more sympathetic to outside critics whose motives I question and whose knowledge is poor. (Resulting in howlers like that Weekly Standard piece on courses.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of that is a disagreement about how prevalent some problems are, and part is about the difference between persuasion and control as the way to get best practices. Also you are considerably more sympathetic to outside critics whose motives I question and whose knowledge is poor. (Resulting in howlers like that Weekly Standard piece on courses.)</p>
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		<title>By: withywindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>withywindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may recollect a long-ago debate we had about proper professional ethics for the teaching profession, where I did acknowledge that professors included less monitoring of colleagues than did, say, doctors. Not posting syllabi is part and parcel of not monitoring how colleagues teach, and not wanting to be monitored. You put it as anxiety; I would say that it is part of the ethic of academia that you have, in other circumstances, embraced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may recollect a long-ago debate we had about proper professional ethics for the teaching profession, where I did acknowledge that professors included less monitoring of colleagues than did, say, doctors. Not posting syllabi is part and parcel of not monitoring how colleagues teach, and not wanting to be monitored. You put it as anxiety; I would say that it is part of the ethic of academia that you have, in other circumstances, embraced.</p>
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